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man and all that he's done for our nation. that's tonight on "the fox report" 7:00 eastern time, 4:00 pacific time what a guy. until then, here's neil cavuto. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] neil: what a day on wall street. stocks back on top amid signs job losses are no longer on a tear. unemployment coming down. economists revising up. and the dow? well, let's just say way up. about 112 1/2 points up. now, you can credit a couple of very big dogs to the rescue. bailed out companies that are suddenly looking hot or shall i say hotter. a.i.g. about 20% today. citigroup also moving higher today. the broader s&p 500 index which sort of mimics generally how the market is perceived to be doing, doing quite well. now close to 50% from its lows back in march. we're going to have a lot more on markets in a moment. suffice it to say, all up today.
now it is getting violent. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. from pushing and shoving to reports now of intimidation. town hall tempers are flairing. and now unions are mobilizing. in missouri protesters claimed that union members were being led into town hall as they were locked out. my next guest says he got roughed up outside that meeting. ken says he was attacked while passing out "don't tread on me" flags. he's joined by his attorney, david brown. gentlemen, welcome to both of you. ken, first of all, to you. how are you doing right now? >> umm, i'm in some pain but i'm ok. i'm still kind of shaken up. just kind of upset about the whole thing. neil: ken, can you tell me what
happened? >> well, let's see. let's start from the beginning. about 8:30, 8:45, i was setting up actually to pass out the "don't tread on me" flags. a priest's wife, she walked up to me and i was showing her some of the merchandise that i had there at the time. this guy, he walked up to me and said who in the -- you know, who in the blank is selling this blank here. and i said, sir, this is my merchandise and would you like a flag or something like that? he was like, what kind of n are you to be giving out this kind of stuff here? he snatched the button board. when he snatched the button board, i snatched it back from
him. that's when he proceeded to hit me in my face. after that another member of his organization ran up. and he starts hitting me in my face as well. i fell to the floor. and another guy from the organization, a tall guy, caucasian, he began to grab me by my collar, by my neck. and he hit me in my face on the left side and knocked me back to the floor. that's when a woman started kicking me in the back of my head and my back. neil: these guys from this organization, what organization was it? who were he? do you know anything about them? >> to tell you the truth, i don't know anything about them. all i know is they belong to some type of a union of some sort. i was just there, you know, to do a job. i wasn't there to, you know, join in or to have an opinion on anything that was going on for that matter. and, you know, i didn't say
anything to these people. they just started attacking me. neil: well, david brown, you're his attorney. they were wearing t-shirts, we're told. we went to the site that said we must fight back against lie and fear mongering to drown out the opposition and send a message that health care reform must happen this year. what do you know about the seiu yourself, david? and what do you know about what they were doing outside the town hall to stir things up, if they were? >> well, i know that seiu is affiliated with han which is -- hcan which is a democratic organization that is promoting the obama care. i think that the seiu is hiding behind the hcan. i think that possibly these seiu
members were working at the behest of some democratic organizations either to start trouble or to intimidate people from expressing free speech. neil: let me ask your attorney there, ken. david, you're there with him. those are pretty serious charges or certainly insinuation that seiu or others would deliberately try to stop what ken was trying to do. we've heard all the reports of this. but i just want to make sure we're being accurate here. the seiu is saying nothing of the sort, but they would try to stop what they considered to be false information from getting out. so on a legal grounds here, david what are you going to do? >> well, we're pursuing legal action against the individuals in their individual capacity, as well as we're pursuing a lawsuit against the seiu and possibly some other entities. but at this time those are our
two main courses of action. neil: when you say you're taking legal action, against how many individuals? >> it would be three, possibly the fourth individual, the female. neil: in other words, the people who beat ken up. right? >> correct. and the ones that beat him up and slurred racial epithets to him. it basically amounts to a hate crime. neil: ok. ken, back to you. paul krugman, the economist and columnist at the "new york times," had said of these type of health care forums before your incident popped up -- does this sound familiar? neil: in other words when people are getting all worked up at forum and town hall meetings, that they're really racially motivatedded. what do you think of that?
>> well in all actuality, i don't think -- it really shouldn't be about race or anything like that. but sometimes race is involved. that's a sad case when it is. but for someone to actually go in and actually try to perform a duty or a job of the caliber that i was doing, which is trying to interact with the people, to get roughed up in the matter that i was, you know, it's just totally outrageous. neil: ken, you never even had a chance to get inside. did you get inside or were you too banged up? >> no. i had to go right to the hospital. i didn't get a chance to get inside or nothing. they actually broke my glasses off of my face when they started beating me. i couldn't see anything. neil: they did mention your race. >> yes. neil: essentially saying that
someone of your race shouldn't be saying the things you're saying about this health care program? >> well, like i said before, i don't have an opinion at this point about the health care program or anything like that. right now i'm just kind of like focusing on, you know, the assault that was, you know, committed upon me at the time. neil: so, ken, let me ask you this. you've heard charges about many of these health care forms that they're setups, that guys like you and those who go to them to either ask questions or raise issues are plants. in other words, that you've been put up to it. i don't mean to be disrespectful to you, ken, but did anyone -- >> i understand. neil: did anyone put you up to being there or try to get you to instigate anything there? >> no. no, sir. no one put me up to this. this was of my own free will to
just try to make -- i was -- i'm unemployed, for one. and i was just there trying to, you know, make an honest dollar and try to learn something about, you know, these type of gathergaj gatherings and things. i just don't think anyone should have to go through what i went through. neil: david, do you think from what you've seen and heard and what you now know has happened to ken that this was part i've wider effort that the three or four individuals you're looking at taking legal action against now is actually a bigger group? what can you tell us? >> i don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist. it's a distinct possibility. it's an avenue that we'll have to pursue through discovery. that will take some time. there are a lot of questions to be answered. but for me to jump the gun and make a wide, sweeping statement, would be hasty on my part.
neil: ok, gentlemen. to either of you, were there more than several people wearing these seiu t-shirts? >> from what i understand and from what i observed when i was there, many individuals were harassing people throughout the day. there were several people that were wearing the seiu shirts. there were several individuals that were let in preferentially in a side door when other people who wanted to get in to the gathering were not allowed to. these seiu people. and there's video of this going virally on the web now that shows these people that are casually slipping in the door like they know exactly where they're going and exactly what they're doing. neil: finally, ken, to you, do you know of anyone else who was hurt or threatened physically or verbally before this event? >> well to tell you the truth, no. i was the only one assaulted. there was a lot of people
surrounding me that kind of helped me out that was there. thank god for them. thank god for the witnesses that were there and everything. because like i said, i was totally by myself. just trying to interact with the people. i just don't understand this. it's an outrage. neil: all right, ken. i want to thank you. david, i want to thank you. it bee hooves most -- behooves most folks watching this, whether you're for or against, the message he was getting out. >> can i inject one thing? neil: yes. >> i don't know if it -- not to make light of this, this might require -- [inaudible] neil: certainly revved up the octane. thank you very much. keep us apprized of where this is going. and ken, get better. >> thank you. thank you for having me. neil: all right. now the other big story today. as we continue to follow that, because if that is part of a wider trend that itself could be
a big deal. but wall street a big deal. stocks up on the economy picking up. we told you about those 247,000 jobs lost last month. it sounds like a lot, but it was the fewest we've seen in a year. the jobless rate itself is at at 9.4%. it's the first drop in 15 months. the white house is calling it the latest evidence that we have pulled back from the edge. >> today we're pointed in the right direction. we're losing jobs at less than half the rate we were when i took office. neil: so if things are, indeed, improving, then republican governor mike huckabee, the former governor of arkansas, says stop spending. the gov is going to be doing a very special live event tomorrow night. this guy just doesn't take any time off. looking at all of this and to help you through all of this, taking your calls, everything else. governor, what do you make -- so much to get into. but first off, on this notion things are picking up. any objective reader would see that. so maybe we don't need to do as
much. what do you think? >> i'm not sure that what we did is the reason we're seeing the economy stimulated. the economic cycles have a way of self-correcting if there's the marketplace. i'll be honest, neil. i still believe we would be better off if we had never done tarp and never done the economic stimulus. because then the market would have reacted to reality rather than to the artificial insemination of the federal government trying to give birth to an economic way. neil: that's a family show. [laughing] by the way, a lot of you saying it was fair -- if memory servesz me right, we had a republican president. >> that's right. i was saying that you and i and i think dave ramsey were the only three voices in america that i can recall -- that were saying then. there were so many republicans and so-called conservatives saying it's not a good thing, but we don't have a choice. you always have a choice to make the right decision. neil: your argument was the right decision was for the government to but out and let the market dozen their thing. >> there were going to be some people who would have failed it
would have been painful. but the pain of the moment would have intn less moment than the pain of trillions of dollars of unsecured debt and the fact that at some point there will be a day of reckoning. i look at these unemployment numbers and we say we're celebrating. we only lost 247,000 jobs. that's like saying, great in this last series we only lost six yards per carry, we've been losing 12 yards per carry. we keep this up and we'll get a safety -- neil: i know what you're saying. but do you have to crawl before you can walk. >> sure. neil: even with the latest g.d.p. data down 6%. we are seemingly coming out of this. >> the president said we he would never get above an 8% unemployment. we got to 9.5%. neil: you're right. but what do you see happening now. they're going to credit a lot of what's going on. that this is them, this is stimulus. you're saying it's a cycle. if you're right, by the way, it's a cycle and no president no congress can interfere or do
anything. >> well, i tends to believe in adam smith's invisible hand than doubt heavy hand of the federal government. because the more government gets involved, the more manipulative it becomes and the more selective it becomes. the problem is then government starts picking out which sectors of the economy are going to do better and which ones are not. and that's where the market is disrupted and a natural process is not taking place. is there ever a time for the government to do some things? yes. what they need to do is look at monetary policy, look at how much debt they have. they need to be loosening up regulatory environment so that people feel free to invest. and they need to allow there to be enough tax benefits. one of the reasons i'm a strong fair tax guy, neil, is because if we weren't taxing productivity, people could afford to be more productive. when you start saying any day now the government may nationalize a particular industry or it may start raising taxes, investors get very, very skiddish. investors are willing to invest
more when they can look at the long-term. neil: so turn that around. if it's wall street, it's feeling and sharing your concern. it should be selling off. right? >> wall street should be selling off? neil: yeah. and it's not. >> not at the moment. i think there is enough activity related in part to the fact that there is a pent-up consumer demand. neil: you think when they realize health care -- that's your specialty. well, there could be optimism that it will go through. but that is going to be a real problem. >> it will be a huge problem if there is a tax imposed on small business operators. there will be a huge problem if, in fact, those costs go up. and here's what a lot of people -- we're going to talk about this tomorrow on our special. you keep hearing about we're going to suddenly infuse millions of more people into a system that is already strained with not enough doctors. if you think waiting rooms are
crowded now and if you think your wait at the doctor office is long now, wait until you have a bunch of people coming in who are trying to get a space with the few doctors that we have. neil: so what, you just sort of break it down, what we have to look forward to or not? >> we're going to have both sides. we have got democratic congresswoman loretta sanchez, barack obama's former physician, who was his doctor for 20 years. neil: he says this plan doesn't go far enough. >> that's right. he's totally on the other side. we also have governor ed rendell, former governor mike levin, who was also the h.s.s -- h.h.s. secretary. we have one of the leading gerontologists talking about the elderly care. what does this mean for seniors. frankly, neil, there are a lot of scare tactics. we're go fog try to put -- going to try to put some of those to rests. neil: those are some powerful guests. you being a former governor have them on speed dial. >> i don't know about that. they don't return my calls.
neil: the man who polls alarmingly well if he were to opt for something a little higher, mike huckabee, again, 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night. a very big special that you've got to watch no matter what side of the fence you're on because he's got all the views there, fair and balanced. don't forget that. thank you, governor. >> thank you. neil: well, the president says his health care plan will be deficit neutral. try telling a lot of governors in a, because they are worried about this. senator baucus quoted as saying that the senate version would require states to pick up a part of the tab for adding millions of americans to medicaid, something south dakota governor mike brown says his state simply cannot afford. the governor joins me on the phone. governor, this was sort of like a new wrinkle that came out of nowhere. i guess people are starting to read and pick this apart and saying, uh-oh. and you said uh-oh. right? >> absolutely. in account farks it's not so new. actuallying earlier this year they suggested that we should bond for additional debt and pay
off the existing medicaid costs with the 30-year bond. i think the governors at this point realized that the states were on the firing line and that one way in which they were looking at was trying to get it off their books and on to our books. we're not against health care reform, but we want to see true reform and not simply an increase in the cost of paying for individuals that currently right now do not qualify for medicaid unless there's a plan in place to do it and we can afford it. neil: your biggest worry now is that while the federal government might be able to say it costs this much and costs are not going to go up, a lot of those costs -- you're arguing being shifted to states and then you've got to figure it out. >> correct. we currently have about a $265 million cost for medicaid in south dakota. under the current provisions of the proposal, 133% of medicaid or 133% of the poverty level. we would actually have about
a $45 million increase in our costs. we simply can't afford it. i don't know of very many other states that could. our sessions is there are changes that can be made, there is reform that is available. please, look at what the states have already done. look at the upper midwest. we made reforms. look at the dartmouth atlas program in which we've got about -- if you did the reforms that we've done in the upper midwest across the country, you could save 5% of g.d.p. in health care reform. neil: ok. governor, they're going to look at that, i'm sure after hearing you now. i do believe they watch us. they just don't say. thank you very, very much. good having you on. >> thank you, sir. neil: they call him romo for his tough political still. did he go too far?
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>> here's how you get him. he pulls a knife. you pull a gun. he sends one of yours to the hospital? you send one of his to the morgue. that's the chicago way. neil: all right maybe not quite that far, but the white house is under fire for what some are calling the chicago style tactics. in a letter to the chief of staff, congressman isa writes, "while this type of scare tactic may work in shik shix, it will not work to intimidate me or other members of the united states congress." the congressman joins me right now. good to have you. >> thanks for having me on. ram rahm emmanuel once set a dead fish to a pollster he disagrees with so i'm not sure it is all that different from chicago. neil: we contacted his office, or white house people did. and they're calling in a lot of silliness and your complaint is a lot of silliness. what do you say? >> well, i think that when we
describe four members of the cabinet threatening to cut off funding to arizona if senator kyl didn't stop essentially saying the stimulus wasn't good wasn't working, they said, maybe this state doesn't want the money, you could call that a little silly. you could also call president obama telling the state of california when arnold schwarzenegger wasn't doing what the union wanted that they weren't going to get stimulus money. of course, governor schwarzenegger fought back. we showed that, in fact, he was entitled to have those negotiations with the seiu, and he did. but we've had to fight against the threat of having tax dollars held back from states if states didn't do what the federal government wants. that is chicago style politics. i think it has a lot to do with rahm's influence and how he came up through the political machine. neil: all right. now, of course, these former top-ranking members of the body in the house of representatives. so he knows a little bit about how you vote on things and stick to things or don't stick to
things. and maybe this is his way of saying stick to this. it wouldn't be the first time. would it? >> no, not at all. it wouldn't be the first time for rahm. it is first time we've seen this happen from the white house, at least in my lifetime. rahm does have the knowledge of congress. he understands that money and political opinion can influence members and that he wanted us to duck. at the same time, i'm a former military person. i understand if you can't see the target, you can't hit the target. it shouldn't still stop from you firing over their heads to make them stay down in this case, even though i could not stop rahm from this chicago style politics, letting them know they're watching him, we weren't going to take it laying down in california, arizona or in washington seemed to be and is the right thing to do. neil: i see your point, congressman. but my point was this isn't the first time -- i wasn't referring to rahm emmanuel. i was referring to other presidents, other administrations that were pretty
good at playing hardball. lyndon johnson comes to mind. richard nixon comes to mind. bill clinton comes to mind. even the prior president comes to mind when it comes to corralling support for the war in iraq. i'm not judging either or any of the prior. i'm just saying that this is how the game is played. is it not? >> well to a certain extent it is. but it's usually played on the positive not the negative. the president will come to someone's state and talk about the importance and the success of the stimulus. if president obama or one of the cabinet officers had gone to air to tout something that was good for arizona, that was coming out of stimulus that would have been inbounds. saying, look, we're going to work hard to get you funding in a package if you support this, that happens all the time. but after the law has been passed, after $800 billion is out there to say we'll basically withhold it if you don't play ball that hasn't happened before. neil: one thing that hasn't
happened before that's a little new is this whitehouse.gov website. i might have just lost him. can you hear me, congressman? nope? we just lost him. all right, congressman. i apologize for that. i was going to get into this whole snitching site. he is back. congressman, can you hear me? no, he cannot. you know what? i'm going to talk to myself. i make progress that way. anyway, in the meantime, they say that virginia, state is for lovers. right? a little more than nine months ago did virginians ever love barack obama, making him the first democrat since lyndon johnson back in 1964 to win this traditionally conservative and republican state. a different story today. now president obama pulling out all the stops for the democratic gubernatorial candidate there. but not quite with the same magic. growing frustration there.
voting for the president but doesn't like what she is seeing since from the president. chris, i quote a lot of your comments. you like him personally. you think a great deal of obviously his promise, when he ran, which is why you voted for him. we're six, seven months in to this. too early, too soon for buyers remorse? how would you describe it? >> it's never too early for buyer's remorse. i think for me personally if you're going to run as an anti-politician, you're going to have to show me that you're an anti-politician. i was really hoping for some more transparency, some more accountability. neil: where specifically, chris? >> oh, these bailouts. they drive me crazy. i'm more like mike huckabee. i was listening to his comments earlier. if you're going to bail a bank out, ietd like to see -- i'd like to see where the bank is going. i work with these guys every day. i work in short sales. every day.
neil: what did you do? i'm sorry. >> i work with short sales. they're preforeclosure sales, people that owe more than they're going to get for the sale of their home and banks have to approve those sales. they're a nightmare. neil: i'm just wondering. when senator obama was running for president, he was not giving any indication that he was going to stop these bailouts or government rescues. he was going to look at them and see whether they were doing what they were supposed to do. i don't recall him saying that they would stop though. so when they continued or at least he didn't reverse what president bush was doing, why were you surprised? >> i'm not really surprised by that. i don't think anybody promised that they weren't going to do any more with the money. it's more the fact there's no accountability for it. that was one of the big campaign promises, accountability and transparency it does feel like dealing with these banks that are getting more and more money every day. what are they doing with the
money? neil: so you're arguing that this guy was going to be very different a transformational type of character, has not lived up to what you thought would be the case. it could be the reality, this is washington, how it works and he has to work within washington. not good enough for you? >> i think that is the reality. it's sad to say that, you i know, it's going to always be that way. no matter who you vote for, they're a politician. you plug them into the system and that's the way it's going to be. neil: anything that could change your mind on him at this point? >> i think a little more -- like i said, the transparency, the accountability. if you're going to give my taxpayer dollars to a bank, tell me where it's going. show me how it's working. in my everyday life as a realtor, i'm not seeing it. neil: thank you very much. good having you on. >> thank you. neil: virginia will be one of two early electoral reads on how the policies are faring. the other is the gubernatorial election in new jersey.
either state republican would be problematic for the president. both going that way, well, political genius larry sabato says, yikes. he didn't say that. did i. but i would like to hear how larry would say "yikes!" is the president losing some of his magic here? >> yikes. yes. yikes. absolutely. no. neil, look, it's been over six months since the inauguration. and inevitably you have a honorable write noon fading -- honeymoon fading. you can see it in both virginia and new jersey. first two electoral tests coming after the presidential election. the republicans are leading in both states. new jersey i think, more because of corruption than anything else. virginia, it is something of a reaction to obama. his ratings have been falling in virginia. and the republican candidate, bob mcdonald, has done better as obama has done worse. neil: do you think -- two races does not a trend or national perception make. but do you think a lot of this has to get back to how
aggressive the government has been and that if he loses those states, if democrats lose those states, it's a cautionary warning much as the 1994 mid-term elections were a cautionary warning to bill clinton to moderate? >> that's exactly the way politicians will read it, neil. you were right to say we're wrong to over interpret two elections in two very different states. but, of course, that's not the way either politicians or the media operate. we'll over interpret everything. i'll be right there with everybody else. neil: your interpretations are always right. that's the difference. >> you're very kind to say that. i won't comment further because i don't like to lie on television. but in any event, you know, that's how we're going to interpret them. if the republicans carry both elections, i can guarantee you some of the blue dogs, for example, the blue dog democrats in the house, will be more hesitant to vote for additional government spending just to cite one example.
neil: larry, the president has always had this sorted of rock star quality going for him. and that he is such a charismatic guy, that even if some of his policies aren't popular, he, much like ronald reagan, though in a different sense, could carry the day. is it the personal popularity that could trump some of the issue growing unpopularity? or eventually is it the same baggage? >> neil, i think one of the really good things about the american public, they're often criticized for not knowing much. but they have a sense of whether things are going well or poorly. and in the end the issues matter more than personalities. they can like a president or feel that a president is a good person but not agree with the president or not think that the country is doing better. and so in the end it really is the state of the country that matters more than anything else. neil: all right, now, one day again as you remind me two does
not a trend make. but lately the markets have been on fire. and certainly better than expected economic news capped today with a surprisingly better-than-expected -- not good, better-than-expected unemployment report leads some to believe we're coming out of this funk. is that at the president's back and candidates' back? >> sure if by november 3 when elections are held, we have seen a steady improvement in the country. this is really interesting to me, neil. the research in this area has shown that the public takes about six months longer at least than the economic dpait i can't does -- data does to believe that there actually is a recovery. there's a lag time there. i guess because people are cynical or because they know that one day's good news doesn't produce a second day's good news. they want to see a trend over time. and they want to see it in their own lives. they want to see friends of theirs going back into the employment roles. that kind of thing so it's a slow process.
neil: finally and real quickly, is it weird that within a week your birthday today, the president's a few days ago, and helen thomas', the same day as the president's, is there some sort of cosmic meaning there? >> there may be on the other two but absolutely no cosmic meaning mine. i'm very impressed that you knew that. your producer michelle told you. i know that's true. neil: that's it. >> i'm 57 in case you want to know. neil: a young 50-blah, blah, blah. >> i'm alive. that's all that matters. neil: you're the genius. you're the man. always congenial at that. have a wonderful birthday. >> thank you so much, neil. neil: all right. well, first it was three. now congress wants eight private jets for their own use on your dime? not everyone impressed with the unemployment numbers out today. one of them, the economic advisor to president obama. ♪
neil: the first image of the president signing. of course, we're talking about that bill. it's $2 billion to keep the so-called cash for clunkers program. the extra dough will extend the program through labor day unless, of course, the cash runs out before that. remember it took just four days to go through the first billion. signed, done, sealed, delivered. just days ago congress authorizing the purchase of three private jets for their own use. now they're planning to buy even more. sandra smith with that story. >> what a time when lawmakers have been very critical of bailed out corporations for their private jet use, now congress plans to spend a big chunk of money on their own private jets, eight of them to be exact. the pricetag? about $550 million. this would be a big upgrade to their current fleet. so the reason here is to accommodate growing travel among members of congress. the new claims would beef up their current fleet of more than two dozen passenger planes
already maintained by the air force for lawmakers, admin official and military chiefs to fly on government trips around the country and overseas. but the congressional shopping list for these planes is a bit different from that of the air force. the pentagon shopping list for lawmakers includes one gulfstream 5 and one business class equivalent of a boeing 737 to replace older and aging planes. the defense department also asking to purchase two more 737's that had originally -- to replace leased planes. well, last week lawmakers in the house added funds to those planes to buy those planes but also added a couple more to the list, funds to buy an additional two 737's and two gulfstream 5 planes. the senate still has to approve those purchases. so a pentagon official making comments to the "wall street journal" on these new planes saying that the department of defense didn't request the
additional planes and doesn't need them. the pricetag on those planes? pretty alarming. the cost of the gulfstream 5 costs $66 million. and the cost of the 737's multiple that we talked about, neil about $70 million so a pretty hefty pricetag we're talking about there for private jets for congress. neil: sandra, thank you very much. sandra smith. >> i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. neil: 35 years ago. robert gibbs now. take a look at this. all right. well, the white house press secretary had been responding to claims they're trying to keep track of information on health care reform. this is a reminder of presidents potentially going too far. let's ask james rosen. he is our washington correspondent extraordinaire, author of "the strong man" and "the secrets of watergate." night and day. but talk of an menially list,
enemy nasty comment list now, the anniversary now. it raise a lot of weird parallels now. what do you think? >> well, robert gibbs, the white house press secretary for the obama white house, was careful to say no names are being collected. it's important to note there some misassociated with the so-called enemy's list. he never saw the list that was compiled by aides below him. but the potentials for presidential abuses, neil, as we carine further and deeper into the information age only increase when there is so much data to be collected. president nixon himself in his resignation speech that you saw a little while ago, that was the day before he resigned. in the very emotional speech that he gave to staff, white house staff in the east room the next day, the day he actually resigned and left on that helicopter, i think president nixon captured one of the quintessential lessons of the whole affair which was not to allow himself -- and this is a good lesson for president obama
to remember -- to be captured by or caught up in the partisan or ideological hatreds of one's own time. let's listen to president nixon 35 years ago tomorrow. >> we want you to be proud of what you've done. we want to you continue to serve in government if that is your wish. always give your best. never get discouraged. never be petty. always remember. others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. and then you destroy yourself. >> speaking, of course, almost as much about himself as anyone eliminates. we saw henry kissinger in those shots. neil: i'm always wondering, the time particularly with the press or thin skinned with the president, this is sort of a
bipartisan itchiness with the press. isn't it? i mean, it goes back a long way. nixon, the argument was, it carried it to new levels. did he? you studied the man. >> well, certainly nixon velt victimized by the press over many years' time. he gave that famous self-emulating cry when he retired from politics, as it turned out temporarily. in 1962, "just think what you're going to be missing. you won't have nixon to kick around anymore." and former alaska governor sarah palin when she gave her resignation speech in july of this year had some costic words for the news media. what some i think have recognized and i think actually richard nixon was among the first to recognize, was that there was political profit to be had in sparring with the news media. in fact, it was h.r.haldiman, the nixon chief of staff, who laid down the law no one is to refer to the press anymore, tower refer to the media. it sounded more sinister.
we've seen more conservative politicians since then adopt that strategy. neil: this administration just focuses on one particular media. ut, james -- but, james, always fun. "the strong man." he's the first prominent fox personality not to put himself on the cover and the book still did well. they're still scratching their heads in publishing dome trying to figure out how that happened. thank you very, very much. >> neil, you're a prince. thank you. neil: james rosen. the call for a redo on this whole recovery plan not from a very prominent republican but top democrat who used to advise the president. you are one person, but you can move a nation.
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with a new plan. he's not a republican. a former obama economic advisor. he's an accomplished media heavyweight in his own right. leo, you're not satisfied. >> i think we're seeing clearly, neil, something called a jobless recovery. and these are unprecedented when they occur. they have a tendency to feedback unto themselves. they're not the sort of recovery that when we announce them, we're actually out of the woods so to speak. neil: you have to crawl before you can walk. >> but we have 30 million people, twice the official number, who are actually effectively unemployed in this country. an unprecedented ratio of the number of people that we officially count as unemployed and those who are otherwise not counted. neil: what would you do for them? >> i think what we're missing, dramatically missing, is we're actually missing what every other developed country has which is a manufacturing and industrial policy. neil: we did that with the auto rescues, no?
>> they were bailouts. they weren't the product of a policy. they were a product of a fire in the house. those of us who have been writing about this jobless recovery and the concern we have, neil, that, again, it will feedback on to itself in a very short period of time, home values will not recover like we think. and credit card debt will rise again. that's the consequence of jobless recovery. neil: you argued before -- i don't want to take you out of context. that the middle class has to intrinsically feel things are getting better. >> they don't have to see it. they have to see that you're trying. these people are well informed. it's very personal to them. six or seven months into this administration they did not expect that we would find them reemployment. what they expected was a manifest appearance that we're trying to find them new employment. i think the president is genuinely committed to that. but i think there are aspects of his administration that are neckioused much more -- focused
much more on the financial recovery and sort of redefining the recovery in that context than in the sort of job push area that we're interested in. neil: we talked it a woman in virginia. you might have caught it earlier. she said she supported the president earlier in the beginning but he's kind of doing what that old boy network does, you know, misparaphrasing here, but that the new and enlightened type of approach that he seemed to promise hasn't come. >> i did listen to her. i would have characterized it somewhat differently. i think there was a fork in the road that we could have taken which would have said that the heavy lift would have been to resuscitate the roughly 140 million people that are compromise of the middle class as we generally describe it of which 30 million are unemployed, or we could go back to that other path, the easier path, and resuscitate the financial industry. and i do think what that woman said which was very apropos is
we're not seeing even the reus is station of the financial industry, neil, manifest itself into lending into the small and medium-sized business community. neil: would we have seen that with john edwards? originally with him and -- resurrecting with his mistress and all of that? >> i'm hopeful and opt miflic -- optimistic that this president will come to this conclusion. neil: is edwards finished? >> he's beyond finished. yeah. neil: were you disappointed at all? >> i was very disappointed. i think anybody who pulled themselves out as a potential leader of the nation and shows such fundamental flaw is, you know, is a disappointment to a lot of people. neil: so he moved on right away. >> pretty quickly. neil: are you running for office? >> this is too much fun. neil: leo, thank you very much. when we come back, passion but beyond the bedroom. and all the video you're seeing right now and all of this anger
the signs of autism at autismspeaks.org. neil: finally, do you mind if i get personal with you for a moment? are you a passionate person? come on, it's cable. the reason why i ask is if you are passionate, you are to be commended in the bedroom, right, but not in any other room. compassion is for love. passion is not for politics. people say passionate people lead with their hearts not their heads. the president is a cool fellow, no drama obama. he is surrounded by a lot of other cool, thoughtful and no drama folks, folks who prefer going cerebral than let's say getting a cerebral hemorrhage, reasoned debate to reckless
debate. i want you to think robot from "lost in space" surrounded by silly humans whose wildly erratic behavior simply did not compute. now think of a white house staffed by robots or the all powerful computer in space odyssey. just substitute, i'm sorry, i can not open my rigid ivy league noggin to the rigidity of those loud critic complaints. see where i'm going here? those who lead with their heads cannot understand for the life of themselves those who react with their hearts, who aren't reasoned when they see the government calmly robbing the blind, and who aren't cool when they see the government isolate and take over their lives. passionate people shout. passionate people yell. passionate people don't respond blindly.
they respond emotionally because passionate people know this is about their lives and their childrens' lives, which confuses the emotionally constipatedder is cerebral folks who cannot understand what the fuss is about because they're thinking with their heads, aren't they? the problem is their heads are in a dark place, which doesn't mean they don't see the issue. they just never get to the heart of it, and they're so damn emotionally constipated they never will, which is why sometimes they dismiss it and emotional people as silly and stupid and trumped up and manufactured and astroturf. the astroturf one always interests are me because i always lose it at that point. astroturf, but again, that's just me. we're going to look into the whole psychological issue and how it is at play here this weekend. the cost of freedom, because of the sonia sotomayor swearing in as our nation's latest supreme court justice is